agreed - I’m hoping these ‘legendary’ cards don’t turn into bottlenecks so that only a few people can complete each set. We had that, for example, in Galaxelle with the Ultimalevi chase card - only 10 people can ever complete that set, even though there are hundreds of each of the other chases.
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Just a bit of clarification:
@wyando - We discussed multiple editions, but in practice, most collectors only value the initial run more highly than any future edition, regardless if it’s edition 2, 3, or 7. So we decided to simplify things by first releasing a limited edition and then possibly releasing an unlimited version as a replica series.
Some early limited editions we plan to release as replicas are extremely rare. The decision to mark the unlimited version as a replica is to preserve the value of the original limited edition series by creating a distinct differentiator.
Also, it’s important to us that when trading, replicas are easily distinguishable, so one doesn’t accidentally give away one of their prized possessions.
@lonelee - Replica series will be carefully considered. There are a number of older limited editions that many new collectors would love to have. One thing we don’t want to do is flood the market with replica editions and cannibalize collecting art from new artists, so expect very few created per month.
I’ll ask @vagrantscout to start a ‘Replica Wish List’ thread in here, so everyone can post series they would like to have the opportunity to collect.
@varactyls - Legendaries will only be released in a few unlimited series at first while we monitor the odds.
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Could it be possible to show some examples of how those “replica’s” will look like against the original series?
I understand that there is need for a distinct differentiator, but I am still afraid this will go on the cost of the art itself… which would result (for me) that I would pass on collecting replica’s (and for sure not using any paid packs on them).
(It’s already hard to use paid packs on some older series without knowing if that last card I am missing is still possible to get.)
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The art will be identical. A watermark will appear in the upper right corner of the print. The watermark is part of a separate layer like the rarity gem and duplicate count as shown in the image below.
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Thanks for showing. This indeed is a decent solution to present the replicas.
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Do you think you could tell us when the first legendaries are released and in what series, so we could look at them? I would like to know what series it’s in, so I could try to get it. Also, will the legendary cards have like 10 copies or what? (Or if it’s in an unlimited series, would the chances be something like 1 in 200 packs?)
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Yes we will do that … look for the first series featuring a Legendary card to be released in January or February. This series has not yet been announced. These cards will have odds closer to 1 in 500 in unlimited edition series. - Joe @ NeonMob
1 in 500?
ONE IN FIVE-HUNDRED?
That’s literally impossible unless you get paid packs. These better not be in series that are around for a limited time. This will make series virtually impossible to complete.
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Legendary cards are going to be just that … LEGENDARY! I wouldn’t say virtually impossible to collect, but finding one in a pack should be very difficult.
Doubtful that a Legendary card will ever be included in a series that is available for less than 3 months.
Will we have to collect the legendary cards to get the full series milestones, or will it just be like a bonus card?
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Edit: Legendary cards to complete full series milestone is up in the air … we are still discussing the different possibilities.
Well, 3 months have 91-92 days which mean 273-276 opportunities to get a 1 in 500 card. For 91 days: 42.1053% to get it and for 92 days: 42.4521%, roughly 2 in 5 people! This was calculated with https://www.omnicalculator.com/statistics/probability.
2 in 5 people who opened 3 packs for a series every day for 3 months.
Seems an eensy weensy bit like those series are gonna be Pay2Win.
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Your calculations do not take into account a number of factors that we have programmed into our algorithm so it is not accurate. 1 in 500 packs is a difficult benchmark - which is intended. To put the 1 in 500 packs number in context, let me use as an example a series that has been active for ~ 4 months (I will not attach the series name for confidentiality). Collectors of this unlimited series have opened nearly 150k free packs and 6k point packs in about 4 months. If a Legendary card was part of this series, there would be ~300 cards in circulation at the moment with the series still having 2 months before being discontinued. Extrapolating from these numbers, a popular series would have ~450-500 Legendary cards in circulation by the end of the series run. Legendary cards are designed to be difficult to obtain but it will not be impossible for F2P collectors to obtain these cards both by opening free packs, points packs, and trading.
With Legendary cards being released, new pack tiers will also be made available to help collectors in their search for these hard to find cards. Along with credit packs, we will introduce new point pack tiers that will provide better odds in uncovering a Legendary card. Point packs will also rotate and offer different rewards for dedicated collectors that complete series milestones and continue to gain points. There will be plenty of opportunities for collectors to obtain a Legendary card without having to invest in credits.
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Nobody will want to trade a legendary card, not even for 5 chases. And nobody will trade a legendary for a legendary, because no one will have 2 of a legendary. And basically no one will have even 1 of a legendary without collecting the series.
450-500? That’s… very low. Especially since there are thousands of users of this website.
Now you’re talking. New pack tiers? Let’s hope this turns out well, because I know for SURE I don’t spend my points on normal packs. I only spend them when there’s some special pack tiers, like Elite.
Sorry if I’m coming off a little aggressive, I’m just really worried about this feature. I don’t want this website to turn into hell.
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Thank you for bringing back variants!!! There’s a lot of old series I collect that had some of these and I’ve always wanted it when creating a series.
Dont worry too much. Let it happen and then adapt to the changes🙂 You may trade somehing old and rare for such a legendary card😎
On the topic of Legendary cards, I welcome them with open arms.
I am the kind of collector that does not want to collect just the core series of a set, but all the chases (and variants if it’s an older series) too, before I can even think about moving on to another series. I enjoy a fully completed set…
…but I’ve never felt any real reward from completing an unlimited series. When I happen to get a chase card from a pack, I say ‘Yes!’ in excitement, but the excitement only lasts for 5 seconds at the very most. The 1 in 20 chance for chases is somewhat low, but for a ‘rarest available’ kind of rarity, chases feel like they are easily replaceable and not as rare as they should be.
But these new Legendary cards… they may solve this problem. You said it is a 1 in 500 chance to pull them from a pack, right? That is around the perfect chance for a ‘rarest available’ rarity in my opinion. It is seemingly unreachable, but the moment you pull one will create an overwhelming sense of accomplishment, far beyond what a modern day chase would bring to the table.
I’m excited for that, I really am. I’ve read sima.seal4’s points though and I have an idea of how low the number of owners would be. Still, I’m prepared to lose and miss my chance of a Legendary card sometimes, but I’m also prepared to win and finally pull that card after months of determination, and have the rarest card of the series to myself. I own a card almost nobody else does and is even better than all of that set’s chases combined, and I’m certain it would be a golden experience I wouldn’t forget for a long time.
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Sorry for necroposting, but is the admin override feature actually going to be used?
What I mean is this:
This series has 14 “Special” cards, 7 variants and 7 chases. That’s as many special cards as Normal cards. Normally I would not have a problem with this series, but then I looked at its out of print date.
February 14?
I feel like 14 special cards in a series for 1.5 months is a little bit much. It could be earned with a LOT of trading, but I mean a LOT. You would have to trade for half the actual special cards.
Maybe I’m overreacting (I have before, a lot) but this seems a little bit much.
I will try to power through, though it probably won’t work.
Yes, I already have the admin override feature, but artists are able to already upload as many chase and variant cards as they want (this is the case with Side by Side). The override feature is more applicable to the core cards and overriding the system formula for how many of each rarity there should be in relation to each other (i.e. how many extremely rare cards should there if there are 10 commons in a series). I can, for instance, change a series so it has the same number of very rares as extremely rares, or i can have a series include no common cards, etc.
The series Side by Side from Surrender Comics has a very short run time because it is one of our special series. All of our special series from Prime to Select, Holiday to Seasonal, all have limited run times. This adds another dimension to the collecting challenge, but this is intentional to increase the value of the cards in the series.
Joe @ NeonMob
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This is only if you play just for free cards, but everyone has always the option to buy credits (and hereby to support the artist) to complete such a series - knowing that it is possible at all.
My concerns are rather with those limited cards edition, which are still available to buy (only) but where I cannot be sure at all, that in those remaining packs there still is the one card I need, because those cards are limited in numbers per rarity and no way to see if all cards of that rarity has been already fetched. For sure it is thrilling to get a #2 from such a payed pack, still, I start to wonder to open packs but never get that last card (or cards) I am missing because there isn’t one anymore in those remaining packs. Also the number of “remaining packs” seems never to change. Examples for such series are:
- The blood is life - missing [The Blood is the Life I]
- Spirit Animal - missing [Ferret Girl]
- Lowbrow Misfits - 3 cards missing
- Human Structures - 1 missing
- Aestatic of Chaos - 1 missing
Trading is mostly not an option, as there are no duplicates or players are not active anymore or only trading in same “level” (which is impossible for newer players). In fact I don’t care much about that, I am willing to spend money in getting those cards, only I would wish there is way we would knew that it is possible that way. Because spending real money for nothing (bc those cards are not anymore in the remaining packs) is somehow frustrating…