(Hellivioze) #16

Thanks for answering our questions Joe.

I am also of the opinion, that prints from the older series that have a limited print count and are still open shouldn’t just leave the system.

But I am glad that you will keep a record of the ones that are discarded

(TS) #17

Will any of the discarded cards be available for other members to collect? There might be cards out there that could help complete a series but are now lost forever (?) in discard purgatory?

(Mrslowly) #18

This is an idea that I have just thought up. Please berate or enjoy this idea.

Universal Packs.

First, the precedent:

  • Every time you discard a card, you are rewarded with points that go towards series-specific packs.

The modifying idea(which, to warn you, due to the lateness of the hour, will not be the first):

  • Along with these default points, you would receive universal points; far fewer relative to default points, to the effect that it would take a magnitude of time and effort longer to achieve the points necessary to turn in a universal pack.
  • Alternately, instead of recieving additional, separate points, you would simply require a magnitude greater more default points to redeem the universal pack.
  • This universal pack, once redeemed, may be put towards any series that is not out of print.
  • An alternate idea would be to simply make these your “Premium Pack”, which would require the aforementioned exorbitant amount of points to redeem, which could be applied to any series that is not out of print.
  • The universal packs would stack and remain in the inventory of the user until their use.
  • An idea to discourage the hoarding of universal packs, for whatever reason may justify such a thing, would be to include volatility; the universal packs are good for, say, the arbitrary period of 7 days, at the end of which they will be dissolved, or cancelled without refund, or removed from the account with a penalty to the trader’s grade, or seen as a slap in the face of the mysterious man you sold your soul to in order to even afford the pack(this man would, of course, require you to pay money to open common packs, or require a payment to open the site, etc.).

A (stupid) idea I have come to as I read the comments before mine:

The ‘Ability to Bring Back a Discarded Card that the Community is Far Better Having than Not’ pack.

  • It would give you the ability to bring back a discarded card that the community is far better having than not.
  • It would cost a great deal of points.
  • It would add to an arbitrary but now apparently necessary reputation system that displays a user’s quantity of revived cards in bling and style and jazz.
  • It would require the user to sacrifice points to generate points in order to bring back cards that they want.
  • In order to counteract this demonic logic, an arbitrary but apparently completely necessary reputation system will be required to display the amount of cards that someone has discarded, as a merit badge of how many victims this user has sacrificed to the NeonGods.

I am totally not pulling your leg on the idea of reviving cards, but I continue to entertain that the Universal Packs are a worthwhile consideration. I think that there is likely a solution to the controversy surrounding “lost cards”. Mine is clearly not, but maybe my bad ideas shall be the catalyst that produces said solution.


(Mrslowly) #19

Sorry. I have another idea.

Suppose folks can charge other users, in points, for the trade of a card: rather than deals occurring on a card-for-card basis, users would be presented to offer trades on a card-for-points basis.

  • This would effectively act as a channel for universal card-trading(an idea loosely translated from my previous post on Universal Packs). You get points for discarding, you use those points to get any card you want from other users based on the owner’s prerogative.

Hope that makes sense.

(Cloud9) #20

I agree - this would hurt the collecting community as a whole if those cards disappeared. It is bad enough that we lost so many rare limited cards to fly-by-night collectors who quit after a short period of time. Don’t encourage people to do the equivalent of rewarding people for tearing up cards! And if they disappear it only help those traders that are weird about having dupes.

(GreenSpleen) #21

This sounds like it could be a really awesome feature! As far as feedback from me, I say that the Discarding option has more potential if the overall card returns to the public collecting “pool” so that others who missed out have a chance to obtain. I am someone that owns multiple cards no longer appealing to me or made the mistake of redeeming a free code in the first place, so this will be useful! :smile:

Any way to sell these?
(Moshiken) #22

Instead of getting regular packs when you discard cards, couldn’t you get special packs containing cards that have been discarded by others?
Kind of like a lottery :slight_smile:
Of course, there would be a lot of"junk" cards in those packs but maybe also some rarities. It would certainly be more interesting!

I also just realized, this update will MAJORLY screw up the rarities of cards, because everybody will keep the rare cards and discard the common ones. So, unless you recycle them in some way, most series will end up having around the same card count for all rarities.

(Naud van Dalen) #23

Donating cards to bot accounts (Gumpies) is a great suggestion! :smiley: That way you can trade cards for points in order to buy free packs*, yet the cards can still be traded because the Gumpies own them.

  • Although they should either offer more points or lower the amount of points to buy a pack, because it’s not worth it right now (200 points for uncommon, 10,000 points for pack, high chance to get commons/uncommons from pack)

(Nick Barrett) #24

So how do you activate this beta or join the test?

(Joe @ NeonMob) #25

It will be an open beta for all users; the update is coming soon.

(Shawn) #26

As of this morning, discarding is live on web!

Joe and I will be answering any questions and gathering feedback about discarding over the next couple weeks. As this is a live beta, I wanted to touch on a few topics.

Purpose: Discarding has been a long requested feature, as collectors have pointed out that they have several (sometimes dozens) of cards that are too common (or undesirable) to trade. This is the first step in providing collectors with a way to clean up collections with the added benefit of a small reward in the form of points.

Point values: Current card values range between 100 and 1,000 points depending on rarity.

Earning free packs: As you discard, points will continue to accrue until you reach 10k points. Upon reaching 10k points, your points will automatically be converted into an additional free pack. The pack will be added to your free pack bank the same way as streak bonuses. NOTE: I know 10k points for a single free pack seems high. This is intentionally high for the beta and will likely be adjusted after we review how users are interacting with the feature. The last thing we want is the discarding incentive be too high and collectors choose to discard a valuable card instead of keeping it for a potential trade.

Discard recirculation: We’ve reviewed your feedback and understand the concern of valuable cards being lost forever. As Joe mentioned, we keep a record of all discards. I’ll confirm now that discards will be recirculated. We are weighing options on how to best implement this, so expect an update from us once we have more data on discarding.


(Mollyfin) #27

I love this new feature! I am concerned that it’ll make trading more difficult (since duplicates will often be discarded) but I guess we’ll just have to see how it goes and cross that bridge if we come to it!

(Mbergmaier) #28

I love the new feature very much! Have discarde already many of my old and multiple cards. the values could be a little bit more that we can earn more free packs. But at the end - goog job!

(Nicodeamus) #29

I was able to get rid of some series that had to have their art removed, how wonderful! So far so good. My only suggestion so far is that there be a way to see your point balance. Unless I am missing this somewhere? I only see it when I have finished discarding.

(Naud van Dalen) #30

Right now there is not enough incentive for me to discard any cards, because it costs way too many points to get a free pack.

I think most people will only discard common and uncommon cards and maybe rare cards from series they are not collecting, because rarer cards don’t give enough points for their rarity. :pensive:

An extremely rare gives only 5 times as much points as a common, which is really low. :fearful: It costs 20 extremely rares or 10 chases to get a pack, which can only give you 2 chases in the best case scenario. :scream: The upside is that people won’t discard those cards as quickly as they would if it gave more points and if packs were cheaper. They will hold on to those cards in order to trade them in the future.

A solution would be to donate cards to Gumpies for points. That way the cards are still tradeable (Gumpies trade singles) and the Gumpies finally get more cards (they all have less than 50 cards!) which are also from newer series and it’s easier for people to find the cards they need by looking at the Gumpies if many people discard enough different cards from different series.

You could then make points for rarer cards much higher (multiply by 2 for each rarity) and lower the amount of points needed for a free pack (at least 10 times), because it doesn’t matter anymore if people discard their rarest cards, since they are still tradeable. It actually makes it much easier to trade for, since Gumpies instantly accept trades from the same series and rarity regardless of the number of copies they have.

(Joe @ NeonMob) #31

Right now, there is no point counter just the meter you see when discarding.

(Shellgames25) #32

hi, this is a nice idea, I seem to have a lo of unwanted duplicates at the moment and no one seems to want them either.

I tried the discard feature with one of my cards w/ duplicates, I discarded 1 but now it shows that I own none ( I used to own 2) and the card hast turned black and white instead of colored.

Can you explain this? Will I still be able to get copies of this card if I open more packs (seeing as I now own 0 copies)?

PS: I’m pretty sure I discarded only one copy

(Who8mypnuts) #33

Thank you for confirming the re-entry into circulation.

I know it will be a more complex algorithm, but shouldn’t there be a more precise scale of rarity since some cards only have 130 in circulation and others have 1000’s? This is what is happening with the new “to infinity” system.

We have so many stingy traders who wont trade a common for a common or even two because the count difference is there, even if it’s only 400 and 800. It’s massively annoying they wont even take a better rare card for the trade because of this count issue. Can we call it card count blindness?

(Shellgames25) #34

okay, so when I checked back on the card it was still there with only one copy, whew! that was good, if this works out i’ll be discarding my unwanted cards! :slight_smile:

this would be nice feature.

(Lafwyn) #35

As was mentioned above (several times), I don’t see much use to the feature yet, except for cleaning up. It’s not worth to discard that amount of high value cards to get only a free pack (which we now get in very high amounts). This is good, in a way, because that means people won’t be discarding hard to get prints ad thus, trading for that ancient print is still only very hard instead of impossible.
I adhere to the thought of trading the cards to the Gumpy bots, that way they won’t be lost and we’d still get the points…
I still personally think that free packs are not incentive enough to use this feature (except for “cleaning up” your collections)… I liked the idea of “Premium Packs” or “Universal Packs” or even like a garage sale where you could use points to “buy” prints that were already discarded. The value of those prints should consider the rarity and count, as well as the status of the set (Out of Print, Out of free packs, Free packs still available)… That would be another way of recirculating the hard to get prints, sort of like a flea market… I don’t know how hard that would be to program though…

Finally I really do want to thank you Joe and Shawn for improving the communication between NM and us users, we’ve felt quite abandoned for a while there… It’s nice to see that change and feel heard :slight_smile: